Frank Navasky: [about Birdie] She fell in love with Generalissimo Franco?

Kathleen Kelly: Don't say that. We don't know that for sure.

Frank Navasky: Who else could it have been? It was probably around 1960. I mean, it's not like he was something normal, like a socialist or an anarchist or something.

Kathleen Kelly: It happened in Spain. People do really stupid things in foreign countries.

Frank Navasky: Absolutely. They buy leather jackets for much more than they're worth. But they don't fall in love with fascist dictators!